alt.education

On Sep 22, 4:17 am, les_on_usenet
wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:32:49 -0700, sbm2...@ wrote:
> >On Sep 20, 7:13 pm, cob...@ (Kate ) wrote:
> >> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:43:37 -0700, sbm2...@ wrote:
> >> >On Sep 19, 9:15 pm, cob...@
> >> Mind you, it does have to be valid testable evidence and not just your
> >> feelings or a fictional book that sez so.
>
> >ANd what would be acceptable in your mind?
>
> He just told you! What part of it do you not understand?

He didn't say squat. I'm asking for something concrete; what would
you accept as valid, testable evidence?

>
> I will give you a clue: It is evidence that does not require
> unjustified belief to accept. No leaps of faith or stretches
> of credibility. No suggestions that we have to believe in
> order to believe (with the usual phrases like 'open your
> minds and you will see him'), no vague 'just look around you
> and you will see'.

And an example of that would be...


>
> Valid, real factual evidence that we can examine and validate
> for ourselves.

Such as.....

> I am offering no bets you cannot provide it, no
> financial inducements, just do it for your religion and your
> claimed god. Be the first Christian in 2000 years to do it.
>
> You lot are forever telling us you have lots of evidence but when
> asked to provide it you:
>
> 1. Tell us we won't believe you if we did so you not going to.

We do and you don't.


>
> (religious believers) resort to insult in order to divert
> attention.

That's you guys. The original poster never invited you to chime in
about "sky fairies".

>
> 3 You Resort to insult and run away

Still waiting to hear where Tacitus and Lucian were "debunked".

>
> 4. You simply ignore the question as if it had never been asked
> (which includes a simple repeated assertion that the claimed god
> exists and is the only true god)

See above.

>
> 5 You Equivocate
>

Like you don't. I for one am tired of being personally held
responsible for the Crusades.

> 6 You Simply disappear, possibly with a parting tirade of abuse.

Maybe we just have better things to do.

>
> True we do get the occasional honest Christian who will
> admit their claim is mere unjustified belief. (they won't put
> it quite like that of course :-) and they merit our respect.
>
> We have no problem with people believing things just as
> long as they respect our right not to share that belief. Leave
> us alone and we are more than happy to leave you alone
> as we have no interest in your religion.

You keep saying that, but who butted into this thread in the first
place?

>
> Les Hellawell
> Greetings from
> YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County