alt.education

Wide Eyed in Wonder
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> On Nov 15, 10:40 am, c...@ (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> > In article <208ffd83-656c-4a9e-bad0-dac1933ab...@ > Wide Eyed in Wonder writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 14, 10:42 am, c...@ (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> > > > In article < ...@ > Wide Eyed in Wonder writes:
> >
> > > > > On Nov 13, 9:01 pm, c...@ (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> > > > > > In article < ...@ > Wide Eyed in Wonder writes:
> >
> > > > > > > I don't think I've taken a position on Pullman's book or film, since I
> > > > > > > wasn't familiar with the books enough to do so. What started
> > > > > > > intriguing me, though, was that the opposition to the film could all
> > > > > > > be traced right back to either the film itself or supporters.
> > > > > > > Basically, it seems they started saying Christians would oppose this
> > > > > > > film, before any such opposition occurred. They WANT to stoke
> > > > > > > controversy to try to get sales.
> >
> > > > > > No, fans of the trilogy were upset hearing that the studio was gutting
> > > > > > the anti-religious content of the books. This has been going on for
> > > > > > a long time, starting far earlier than -- as far as I am aware --
> > > > > > any religious opposition beginning to smoulder.
> >
> > > > > > > Me...I could care less. See the movie...don't see it.
> >
> > > > > > Agreed. The same thing I said, in fact, about the Da Vinci Code,
> > > > > > and the Passion of the Christ, and The Last Temptation.
> >
> > > > > > > Your choice.
> > > > > > > It's just a book from a self-proclaimed atheist. I doubt anyone will
> > > > > > > be looking for spiritual truth in watching it (or reading the book).
> >
> > > > > > You do not think that some may see atheism as a spiritual truth?
> >
> > > > > So, your position is that the film IS about atheist evangelism?
> >
> > > > My position is that the film is about making money while bringing
> > > > a widely-read children's series to the screen.
> >
> > > > And my point is to question your contention that there is
> > > > no spiritual value to be had from an atheist.
> >
> > > > Many a Buddhist, to take just one example, would disagree.
> >
> > > > -- cary
> >
> > > Well, I guess your the expert of buddhism, but I tend to find it hard
> > > to see how someone can be a spiritual value to one that denies the
> > > spirit.
> >
> > Not "spirit". God.
> >
> > -- cary
>
> So, atheists don't deny the existence of a spirit named Jehovah...just
> that He should be their Lord? At least they are honest.


Am I interrupting here? You appear to be holding a conversation
with someone else. Whenever I write, as clearly as I can,
"A", you inevitably reply with "so you think `X'" or "so
you're saying 'Y', right?"

I am saying that there are things which many people would
regard as "spiritual" which do not require the existence
of a god. Your god, or any other.

See cell biologist -- and atheist -- Ursula Goodenough's
book "The Sacred Depths of Nature" for a number
of beautifully written essays on the subject.

And no, this is nothing to do with "Pantheism". Most pantheism
contains beliefs which I find unwarranted.


-- cary